Post by Trevin on Sept 16, 2010 23:27:27 GMT -5
trevin7eleven (10:53:19 PM): ?
spanellers1 (10:53:28 PM): hey! alright, so a few things
trevin7eleven (10:53:40 PM): i dont like the sound of this
spanellers1 (10:53:49 PM): first off, now that the leg is over any it's less chaotic, are there any questions you want to ask just about decisions this evening?
trevin7eleven (10:54:05 PM): Yes
spanellers1 (10:54:08 PM): the main thing is, for the word game, if it was capitalized, it didnt count
trevin7eleven (10:54:17 PM): thats is not the case
trevin7eleven (10:54:27 PM): Est
spanellers1 (10:54:37 PM): was written as "est" on dictionary.com
spanellers1 (10:54:56 PM): although it was originally an acronym, it was adopted as a normal word when it became lower case
spanellers1 (10:55:03 PM): if it was written as "Est" it wouldnt count
trevin7eleven (10:55:05 PM): Despite it being "used commonly" as you so put it was clearly an abreviation
spanellers1 (10:55:11 PM): but its definition was all lowercase
trevin7eleven (10:55:30 PM): im not arguing the case of the proper noun
spanellers1 (10:55:35 PM): it has nothing to do with the commonness of it, once it's no longer in caps, it's adopted as a normal nown, not a proper one
trevin7eleven (10:55:37 PM): now please let me finish before you interupt
spanellers1 (10:55:42 PM): of course, go ahead
trevin7eleven (10:58:30 PM): you clearly stated in the rules, that abbreviations did not count, no matter how long its been around and how frequently used, it is still a CLEAR abbreaviation, meaning it does not count, point blank, moving on the next letter i posted made it Este going for Esteem, Ryan could not complete the word and is eliminated. Im following your rules. You clearly stated them.
spanellers1 (10:59:38 PM): abbreviations certainly don't count
spanellers1 (10:59:45 PM): but that's not the contest here
trevin7eleven (10:59:52 PM): yes it is
spanellers1 (10:59:58 PM): est is an acronym, not an abbreviation
trevin7eleven (11:00:07 PM): ok acronym
spanellers1 (11:00:09 PM): and most acronyms do not count because they are proper names
spanellers1 (11:00:20 PM): any acronyms that are not proper names are permissable
spanellers1 (11:00:24 PM): scuba, for example
spanellers1 (11:00:30 PM): it's been adopted as lowercase
spanellers1 (11:00:33 PM): you said it yourself
trevin7eleven (11:00:39 PM): i did not say that
trevin7eleven (11:00:49 PM): that wasnt me
spanellers1 (11:00:51 PM): alright, well, someone in the chat said scuba
spanellers1 (11:00:55 PM): and whoever it was, they were right
trevin7eleven (11:01:06 PM): ok take this for example
spanellers1 (11:01:12 PM): when an acronym is adopted into lowercase, it because a word
trevin7eleven (11:01:14 PM): would you have accepted lol?
trevin7eleven (11:01:16 PM): lmao?
trevin7eleven (11:01:18 PM): jk?
trevin7eleven (11:01:27 PM): all have been adapted with there own meanings
trevin7eleven (11:01:39 PM): you cannot use that as an arguement
trevin7eleven (11:02:02 PM): so if i wouldve posted lol it wouldve been permissable
trevin7eleven (11:02:06 PM): but LOL would not?
spanellers1 (11:02:25 PM): alright, here's the issue...
spanellers1 (11:02:42 PM): when you said LOL, what do you mean by that?
trevin7eleven (11:03:01 PM): LOL - exclamation when something is found humorous
trevin7eleven (11:03:11 PM): good try though
spanellers1 (11:03:16 PM): you know that you're avoiding the answer there because of the principle
spanellers1 (11:03:21 PM): you can't even contest that
trevin7eleven (11:03:25 PM): yes i can
trevin7eleven (11:03:50 PM): like when someoen says rofl, they arent actually doing it they are refering to the act of
trevin7eleven (11:04:00 PM): and that is the case
spanellers1 (11:04:00 PM): alright, well, if that's the argument that you want to make, i respectfully disagree
trevin7eleven (11:04:14 PM): Acronyms are more or less abbreviations
spanellers1 (11:04:37 PM): look, here's where we stand
trevin7eleven (11:04:43 PM): est 1 (ɛst) — n a treatment intended to help people towards psychological growth, in which they spend many hours in large groups, deprived of food and water and hectored by stewards [ E rhard S eminars T raining; after Werner Erhard, American businessman, who devised the system]
trevin7eleven (11:04:55 PM): It says underneath what it stands for
trevin7eleven (11:04:57 PM): and look
trevin7eleven (11:05:00 PM): its Capital
spanellers1 (11:05:09 PM): but trevin, look at that for a second...
spanellers1 (11:05:18 PM): and give me a moment to say this before you interject
spanellers1 (11:05:29 PM): like you just posted there, "est" has an actual definition
spanellers1 (11:05:31 PM): it has a meaning
spanellers1 (11:05:40 PM): and in addition to that meaning, it stands for something
spanellers1 (11:05:43 PM): now, look up "lmao"
spanellers1 (11:05:49 PM): what'd the definition of "lmao"?
spanellers1 (11:05:56 PM): "laughed my ass off"
spanellers1 (11:06:02 PM): it has no meaning besides the words it represents
spanellers1 (11:06:22 PM): "est" has a defintion in addition to what it stands for, that makes it count as a word
spanellers1 (11:06:29 PM): "lmao" only stands for something
spanellers1 (11:06:50 PM): and you can say that has additional meaning, but the dictionary doesn't support that, and that's what we have to go by
trevin7eleven (11:07:05 PM): [ E rhard S eminars T raining; after Werner Erhard, American businessman, who devised the system]
spanellers1 (11:07:18 PM): yes, but BEFORE that, trevin, it is defined
trevin7eleven (11:07:19 PM): Capital letter, Abbreviation, Proper noun.
spanellers1 (11:07:26 PM): yeah, but the entry itself doesn't
spanellers1 (11:07:29 PM): now you're just ignoring
trevin7eleven (11:07:31 PM): IT IS NAMED AFTER A PERSON
spanellers1 (11:07:34 PM): the title of the entry is "est"
spanellers1 (11:07:38 PM): not "EST"
spanellers1 (11:07:40 PM): "est"
trevin7eleven (11:07:42 PM): im not ignoring it but in the grand scheme it is still an acronym
spanellers1 (11:07:56 PM): and so is "scuba" but that doesn't make it any less of a word
trevin7eleven (11:07:58 PM): regardless of whatever justification you need to make
trevin7eleven (11:08:03 PM): and acronym
spanellers1 (11:08:22 PM): if a word has meaning besides what it's letters stand for, that makes it a word
spanellers1 (11:08:40 PM): now, ryan offered to split the money with you, if you want that offer, tell me now, and i'll split it
spanellers1 (11:08:55 PM): if you decide that you don't take the offer and you still want to argue it, here's what i'll do
trevin7eleven (11:09:10 PM): Ryan honestly if this is how your decisions are going to be then im not sure i wish to continue in this game
spanellers1 (11:09:20 PM): then quit
spanellers1 (11:09:51 PM): if you disagree with me over a word, after i have given you ample justification, and i'm in the middle of trying to make a compromise with you, and you want to walk, then do it
trevin7eleven (11:10:09 PM): i have given just as much justification to my cause aswell
spanellers1 (11:10:10 PM): but look at how everyone else will react it, seeing that you quit over a $600 budget
trevin7eleven (11:10:26 PM): you just do not want to have to ruffle feathers
trevin7eleven (11:10:30 PM): Do me a favor
trevin7eleven (11:10:39 PM): before you post your decision
trevin7eleven (11:10:51 PM): why dont you check another dictionary website
spanellers1 (11:10:55 PM): if i was offended by you ruffling feathers, i would've told you to shut up instead of discussing this with you
trevin7eleven (11:10:57 PM): such as m-w
trevin7eleven (11:11:06 PM): or britanica
trevin7eleven (11:11:25 PM): and tell me what you find
spanellers1 (11:12:17 PM): trevin, that is why the rules posted on the message board 24 hours before the challenge specified "dictionary.com"
trevin7eleven (11:12:20 PM): it is clearly not a word, he got lucky that it is even an acronym, and the fact that your declaring him correct by a shady shot in the dark, that can be argued, make this seem really un fair
spanellers1 (11:12:27 PM): because you can find millions of words on millions of different websites
trevin7eleven (11:12:29 PM): the rules also said no acronyms
spanellers1 (11:13:23 PM): there was nothing addressed about proper nouns or acronyms or abbreviations until we met this evening
spanellers1 (11:13:34 PM): and the overriding rule was proper nouns in whatever form are inadmissible
trevin7eleven (11:13:43 PM): however it was adressed before that round
trevin7eleven (11:15:47 PM): spanellers1 (7:43:29 PM): no proper nouns, no acronyms
spanellers1 (11:15:53 PM): if i implied that acronyms were not allowed, that is because the acronyms were considered proper, which was not admissible
spanellers1 (11:15:57 PM): i apologize for my lack of clarity
trevin7eleven (11:16:06 PM): then it is your lack of judgement
spanellers1 (11:16:08 PM): i understand where you are coming from on that
trevin7eleven (11:16:12 PM): i followed the rules that were set
trevin7eleven (11:16:15 PM): and am the clear winner
spanellers1 (11:16:19 PM): do you want to listen to what i have to say or not?
trevin7eleven (11:16:38 PM): if ALL proper nouns were acronyms you would not have had to mention both
trevin7eleven (11:16:42 PM): spanellers1 (7:43:29 PM): no proper nouns, no acronyms
spanellers1 (11:16:59 PM): trevin, do you want to listen to what i have to offer you or not?
trevin7eleven (11:17:03 PM): go ahead
spanellers1 (11:17:16 PM): ryan offered to split the money, if you want that, then take it
spanellers1 (11:17:17 PM): otherwise
spanellers1 (11:17:24 PM): wait
spanellers1 (11:18:07 PM): otherwise, if you continue to oppose this, and want to fight that "if 'est' was allowed, so should 'lmao'" then i'll make a thread about if teams think "lmao" should be allowed as a word
spanellers1 (11:18:39 PM): and hell, if you get majority, i'll match the total amount from the challenge, and since ryan probably won't care, call you the "real winner" if that's what's so important to
spanellers1 (11:18:48 PM): it's a $600 challenge, listen to what other people were saying
trevin7eleven (11:19:07 PM): it shouldnt be this dificult
trevin7eleven (11:19:09 PM): spanellers1 (7:43:29 PM): no proper nouns, no acronyms
trevin7eleven (11:19:11 PM): RIGHT THERE
trevin7eleven (11:19:18 PM): THAT ENDS THE WHOLE ARGUEMENT
spanellers1 (11:19:19 PM): i'm sorry that i don't agree with your argument, and whether you like it or not, i've done you a courtesy by discussing it this long with you
trevin7eleven (11:19:21 PM): RIGHT THERE
spanellers1 (11:19:52 PM): and i said before, i apologize for my lack of clarity in that statement, but that doesn't change my decision or my argument
trevin7eleven (11:19:53 PM): its not the fact of the money, its the fact that i won somehting and its being given to someone else
trevin7eleven (11:20:00 PM): then this is your fault
trevin7eleven (11:20:02 PM): not mine
spanellers1 (11:20:03 PM): fine
spanellers1 (11:20:07 PM): call it my fault
trevin7eleven (11:20:09 PM): i won the damn challenge
spanellers1 (11:20:10 PM): quit if you want to
spanellers1 (11:20:13 PM): it doesn't matter
trevin7eleven (11:20:27 PM): no?
spanellers1 (11:20:30 PM): if you won't accept my authority on this issue or anything else, then it isn't my problem
trevin7eleven (11:20:41 PM): thats not the problem here
trevin7eleven (11:20:55 PM): the problem is you made a VERY obvious statement
spanellers1 (11:20:59 PM): trevin, stop copying and posting the same lines over and over again
trevin7eleven (11:20:59 PM): i followed it
trevin7eleven (11:21:04 PM): and IM getting screwed
spanellers1 (11:21:45 PM): if you want the money, tell me, if you want the poll, tell me, if you have some new to say, tell me, but otherwise, we've covered everything countless times over, it's clear that we have agreed to disagree
trevin7eleven (11:22:10 PM): i want 600$ added to my budget and i want myself declared the winner, and orange to recieve nothing
spanellers1 (11:22:13 PM): and don't make it sound like you would have changed your choices in the challenge based on one statement or clarification
trevin7eleven (11:22:17 PM): thats what i want
spanellers1 (11:22:27 PM): then, good luck
spanellers1 (11:22:29 PM): you have the offers
spanellers1 (11:22:34 PM): tell me if you want anything else
spanellers1 (11:22:43 PM): you can't walk all over me by arguing for half an hour
spanellers1 (11:22:53 PM): i made a decision earlier and dictated it
trevin7eleven (11:23:06 PM): im not walking all over you, im trying to get you to see that i followed the rules
spanellers1 (11:23:07 PM): i defended it to you now, for much longer than i should have, or should have needed to
trevin7eleven (11:23:09 PM): i did the right thing
trevin7eleven (11:23:15 PM): and your not granting me that
trevin7eleven (11:23:26 PM): you rushed threw it so you could start the leg on time
spanellers1 (11:23:33 PM): trevin, whether i clarified that statement or not, your decisions in the challenge wouldn't be any different
trevin7eleven (11:23:36 PM): you said no acronyms i expect you to stick by that
spanellers1 (11:24:32 PM): of course i rushed, there are three teams here that played the game that were now uninvolved, there are four more teams waiting for the leg to start, and unfortunately, trying to stick to a predefined timetable to cater to 8/9 teams in the game is more important than arguing over the dictionary definition of an obscure word
trevin7eleven (11:24:34 PM): an acronym can be defined in many way however it still refers to what it is an acronym for
spanellers1 (11:25:13 PM): i made a decision, i explained it, i stuck with it, if you don't like it then tough
trevin7eleven (11:25:21 PM): you flipped
spanellers1 (11:25:27 PM): i've tried to give you an appeasable settlement, if you don't like that, then don't take it
spanellers1 (11:25:43 PM): i initially wasn't going to accept it because i had not yet seen that definition
spanellers1 (11:25:51 PM): i was only aware of EST for eastern standard time
spanellers1 (11:25:59 PM): showing that definition gave meaning to the word
spanellers1 (11:26:01 PM): it made it allowed
trevin7eleven (11:26:06 PM): you flipped from what you stated to what you think now, Youve become a hippocrit
trevin7eleven (11:26:13 PM): its an acronym
trevin7eleven (11:26:19 PM): regardless of what you say
trevin7eleven (11:26:22 PM): and how you define it
trevin7eleven (11:26:27 PM): its still and acronym
trevin7eleven (11:26:38 PM): i can define lol without using laugh out loud
trevin7eleven (11:26:47 PM): does that make it not an acronym?
spanellers1 (11:26:48 PM): but the dictionary doesn't
spanellers1 (11:26:51 PM): and that's what counts
spanellers1 (11:27:00 PM): the dictionary doesn't give the word additional meaning
spanellers1 (11:27:05 PM): it calls it "laugh out loud"
spanellers1 (11:27:12 PM): if you don't like that, then sorry
spanellers1 (11:27:38 PM): if you're so appauled that i had to make an executive decision to upset one party or the other, and you don't want to be in the game anymore, then walk out
spanellers1 (11:28:02 PM): otherwise, either take or ignore one of the generous offers i've given you, stop wasting time on this minute issue, and move on
spanellers1 (11:28:06 PM): there are 6 legs left to play
trevin7eleven (11:28:19 PM): Ryan None of that is the point
trevin7eleven (11:28:27 PM): there could be 1000 legs left
trevin7eleven (11:28:35 PM): the point is i was right
trevin7eleven (11:28:45 PM): i followed the rules you put fourth
spanellers1 (11:28:49 PM): that's your point, i disagree, that's life, there are disagreements
trevin7eleven (11:28:50 PM): and your not honoring that
spanellers1 (11:29:17 PM): Trevin, the point is i've sat here with you for half-an-hour discussing a decision that i made and stuck by hours ago over something that, in the scheme of things, isn't really even important
spanellers1 (11:29:26 PM): if you want one of the offers, take it
spanellers1 (11:29:28 PM): if not, don't
trevin7eleven (11:29:29 PM): no we havent discussed anything
spanellers1 (11:29:32 PM): i have better things to do right now
trevin7eleven (11:29:35 PM): you told me what you were doing
spanellers1 (11:29:43 PM): we've been here for half an hour trevin, all you're doing is repeating yourself
spanellers1 (11:29:44 PM): move on
trevin7eleven (11:29:46 PM): you didnt listen to anything i said in my arguement
spanellers1 (11:29:47 PM): good night
spanellers1 (11:29:49 PM): yes i did
trevin7eleven (11:29:54 PM): no you didnt
spanellers1 (11:30:00 PM): and i disputed each of your claims and explained why i disagreed
trevin7eleven (11:30:02 PM): you told me what you were going to do
spanellers1 (11:30:06 PM): "lmao" the whole nine yards
spanellers1 (11:30:37 PM): guess what? i'm the host. i've put tens of hours into this game. i'm allowed to make decisions. if you don't like that, then don't stay. it's your loss.
spanellers1 (11:30:40 PM): have a good evening.
trevin7eleven (11:32:02 PM): Now your just being stubborn
trevin7eleven (11:32:10 PM): your clearly wrong
trevin7eleven (11:32:15 PM): CLEARLY
trevin7eleven (11:32:22 PM): spanellers1 (7:43:29 PM): no proper nouns, no acronyms
spanellers1 (11:32:24 PM): then get the rest of the cast to tell me that
trevin7eleven (11:32:27 PM): that end your whole argue
spanellers1 (11:32:35 PM): good night trevin
trevin7eleven (11:37:32 PM): expect those ims to start coming in now
trevin7eleven (12:05:52 AM): now if im the first to post at 1259, are you gonna say Andrews post was first cuz it he said so?
spanellers1 (12:07:11 AM): no
spanellers1 (12:07:19 AM): if you're the first to post, you're the first to post
trevin7eleven (12:07:36 AM): now you wanna follow the rules.
spanellers1 (12:07:49 AM): and if you're going to behave that way, then i don't plan on explaining anything to you in the future
spanellers1 (12:07:53 AM): get over it, or leave
trevin7eleven (12:08:17 AM): change your mind otu i will have too
trevin7eleven (12:08:27 AM): do the right thing
trevin7eleven (12:08:34 AM): you got 4 ims saying i was right
trevin7eleven (12:08:39 AM): do the right thing
spanellers1 (12:10:25 AM): get over it, or leave
trevin7eleven (12:10:37 AM): i did what you told me to do
trevin7eleven (12:10:46 AM): and now your mad cuz people are agreeing with me
trevin7eleven (12:21:48 AM): ask the chat to vote
trevin7eleven (12:21:53 AM): you said you would do a vote
spanellers1 (12:22:11 AM): that was one of your offers, which you ignored, in lieu of bitching for the past two hours
trevin7eleven (12:22:30 AM): then i will just keep ranting,
spanellers1 (12:22:36 AM): go ahead
spanellers1 (10:53:28 PM): hey! alright, so a few things
trevin7eleven (10:53:40 PM): i dont like the sound of this
spanellers1 (10:53:49 PM): first off, now that the leg is over any it's less chaotic, are there any questions you want to ask just about decisions this evening?
trevin7eleven (10:54:05 PM): Yes
spanellers1 (10:54:08 PM): the main thing is, for the word game, if it was capitalized, it didnt count
trevin7eleven (10:54:17 PM): thats is not the case
trevin7eleven (10:54:27 PM): Est
spanellers1 (10:54:37 PM): was written as "est" on dictionary.com
spanellers1 (10:54:56 PM): although it was originally an acronym, it was adopted as a normal word when it became lower case
spanellers1 (10:55:03 PM): if it was written as "Est" it wouldnt count
trevin7eleven (10:55:05 PM): Despite it being "used commonly" as you so put it was clearly an abreviation
spanellers1 (10:55:11 PM): but its definition was all lowercase
trevin7eleven (10:55:30 PM): im not arguing the case of the proper noun
spanellers1 (10:55:35 PM): it has nothing to do with the commonness of it, once it's no longer in caps, it's adopted as a normal nown, not a proper one
trevin7eleven (10:55:37 PM): now please let me finish before you interupt
spanellers1 (10:55:42 PM): of course, go ahead
trevin7eleven (10:58:30 PM): you clearly stated in the rules, that abbreviations did not count, no matter how long its been around and how frequently used, it is still a CLEAR abbreaviation, meaning it does not count, point blank, moving on the next letter i posted made it Este going for Esteem, Ryan could not complete the word and is eliminated. Im following your rules. You clearly stated them.
spanellers1 (10:59:38 PM): abbreviations certainly don't count
spanellers1 (10:59:45 PM): but that's not the contest here
trevin7eleven (10:59:52 PM): yes it is
spanellers1 (10:59:58 PM): est is an acronym, not an abbreviation
trevin7eleven (11:00:07 PM): ok acronym
spanellers1 (11:00:09 PM): and most acronyms do not count because they are proper names
spanellers1 (11:00:20 PM): any acronyms that are not proper names are permissable
spanellers1 (11:00:24 PM): scuba, for example
spanellers1 (11:00:30 PM): it's been adopted as lowercase
spanellers1 (11:00:33 PM): you said it yourself
trevin7eleven (11:00:39 PM): i did not say that
trevin7eleven (11:00:49 PM): that wasnt me
spanellers1 (11:00:51 PM): alright, well, someone in the chat said scuba
spanellers1 (11:00:55 PM): and whoever it was, they were right
trevin7eleven (11:01:06 PM): ok take this for example
spanellers1 (11:01:12 PM): when an acronym is adopted into lowercase, it because a word
trevin7eleven (11:01:14 PM): would you have accepted lol?
trevin7eleven (11:01:16 PM): lmao?
trevin7eleven (11:01:18 PM): jk?
trevin7eleven (11:01:27 PM): all have been adapted with there own meanings
trevin7eleven (11:01:39 PM): you cannot use that as an arguement
trevin7eleven (11:02:02 PM): so if i wouldve posted lol it wouldve been permissable
trevin7eleven (11:02:06 PM): but LOL would not?
spanellers1 (11:02:25 PM): alright, here's the issue...
spanellers1 (11:02:42 PM): when you said LOL, what do you mean by that?
trevin7eleven (11:03:01 PM): LOL - exclamation when something is found humorous
trevin7eleven (11:03:11 PM): good try though
spanellers1 (11:03:16 PM): you know that you're avoiding the answer there because of the principle
spanellers1 (11:03:21 PM): you can't even contest that
trevin7eleven (11:03:25 PM): yes i can
trevin7eleven (11:03:50 PM): like when someoen says rofl, they arent actually doing it they are refering to the act of
trevin7eleven (11:04:00 PM): and that is the case
spanellers1 (11:04:00 PM): alright, well, if that's the argument that you want to make, i respectfully disagree
trevin7eleven (11:04:14 PM): Acronyms are more or less abbreviations
spanellers1 (11:04:37 PM): look, here's where we stand
trevin7eleven (11:04:43 PM): est 1 (ɛst) — n a treatment intended to help people towards psychological growth, in which they spend many hours in large groups, deprived of food and water and hectored by stewards [ E rhard S eminars T raining; after Werner Erhard, American businessman, who devised the system]
trevin7eleven (11:04:55 PM): It says underneath what it stands for
trevin7eleven (11:04:57 PM): and look
trevin7eleven (11:05:00 PM): its Capital
spanellers1 (11:05:09 PM): but trevin, look at that for a second...
spanellers1 (11:05:18 PM): and give me a moment to say this before you interject
spanellers1 (11:05:29 PM): like you just posted there, "est" has an actual definition
spanellers1 (11:05:31 PM): it has a meaning
spanellers1 (11:05:40 PM): and in addition to that meaning, it stands for something
spanellers1 (11:05:43 PM): now, look up "lmao"
spanellers1 (11:05:49 PM): what'd the definition of "lmao"?
spanellers1 (11:05:56 PM): "laughed my ass off"
spanellers1 (11:06:02 PM): it has no meaning besides the words it represents
spanellers1 (11:06:22 PM): "est" has a defintion in addition to what it stands for, that makes it count as a word
spanellers1 (11:06:29 PM): "lmao" only stands for something
spanellers1 (11:06:50 PM): and you can say that has additional meaning, but the dictionary doesn't support that, and that's what we have to go by
trevin7eleven (11:07:05 PM): [ E rhard S eminars T raining; after Werner Erhard, American businessman, who devised the system]
spanellers1 (11:07:18 PM): yes, but BEFORE that, trevin, it is defined
trevin7eleven (11:07:19 PM): Capital letter, Abbreviation, Proper noun.
spanellers1 (11:07:26 PM): yeah, but the entry itself doesn't
spanellers1 (11:07:29 PM): now you're just ignoring
trevin7eleven (11:07:31 PM): IT IS NAMED AFTER A PERSON
spanellers1 (11:07:34 PM): the title of the entry is "est"
spanellers1 (11:07:38 PM): not "EST"
spanellers1 (11:07:40 PM): "est"
trevin7eleven (11:07:42 PM): im not ignoring it but in the grand scheme it is still an acronym
spanellers1 (11:07:56 PM): and so is "scuba" but that doesn't make it any less of a word
trevin7eleven (11:07:58 PM): regardless of whatever justification you need to make
trevin7eleven (11:08:03 PM): and acronym
spanellers1 (11:08:22 PM): if a word has meaning besides what it's letters stand for, that makes it a word
spanellers1 (11:08:40 PM): now, ryan offered to split the money with you, if you want that offer, tell me now, and i'll split it
spanellers1 (11:08:55 PM): if you decide that you don't take the offer and you still want to argue it, here's what i'll do
trevin7eleven (11:09:10 PM): Ryan honestly if this is how your decisions are going to be then im not sure i wish to continue in this game
spanellers1 (11:09:20 PM): then quit
spanellers1 (11:09:51 PM): if you disagree with me over a word, after i have given you ample justification, and i'm in the middle of trying to make a compromise with you, and you want to walk, then do it
trevin7eleven (11:10:09 PM): i have given just as much justification to my cause aswell
spanellers1 (11:10:10 PM): but look at how everyone else will react it, seeing that you quit over a $600 budget
trevin7eleven (11:10:26 PM): you just do not want to have to ruffle feathers
trevin7eleven (11:10:30 PM): Do me a favor
trevin7eleven (11:10:39 PM): before you post your decision
trevin7eleven (11:10:51 PM): why dont you check another dictionary website
spanellers1 (11:10:55 PM): if i was offended by you ruffling feathers, i would've told you to shut up instead of discussing this with you
trevin7eleven (11:10:57 PM): such as m-w
trevin7eleven (11:11:06 PM): or britanica
trevin7eleven (11:11:25 PM): and tell me what you find
spanellers1 (11:12:17 PM): trevin, that is why the rules posted on the message board 24 hours before the challenge specified "dictionary.com"
trevin7eleven (11:12:20 PM): it is clearly not a word, he got lucky that it is even an acronym, and the fact that your declaring him correct by a shady shot in the dark, that can be argued, make this seem really un fair
spanellers1 (11:12:27 PM): because you can find millions of words on millions of different websites
trevin7eleven (11:12:29 PM): the rules also said no acronyms
spanellers1 (11:13:23 PM): there was nothing addressed about proper nouns or acronyms or abbreviations until we met this evening
spanellers1 (11:13:34 PM): and the overriding rule was proper nouns in whatever form are inadmissible
trevin7eleven (11:13:43 PM): however it was adressed before that round
trevin7eleven (11:15:47 PM): spanellers1 (7:43:29 PM): no proper nouns, no acronyms
spanellers1 (11:15:53 PM): if i implied that acronyms were not allowed, that is because the acronyms were considered proper, which was not admissible
spanellers1 (11:15:57 PM): i apologize for my lack of clarity
trevin7eleven (11:16:06 PM): then it is your lack of judgement
spanellers1 (11:16:08 PM): i understand where you are coming from on that
trevin7eleven (11:16:12 PM): i followed the rules that were set
trevin7eleven (11:16:15 PM): and am the clear winner
spanellers1 (11:16:19 PM): do you want to listen to what i have to say or not?
trevin7eleven (11:16:38 PM): if ALL proper nouns were acronyms you would not have had to mention both
trevin7eleven (11:16:42 PM): spanellers1 (7:43:29 PM): no proper nouns, no acronyms
spanellers1 (11:16:59 PM): trevin, do you want to listen to what i have to offer you or not?
trevin7eleven (11:17:03 PM): go ahead
spanellers1 (11:17:16 PM): ryan offered to split the money, if you want that, then take it
spanellers1 (11:17:17 PM): otherwise
spanellers1 (11:17:24 PM): wait
spanellers1 (11:18:07 PM): otherwise, if you continue to oppose this, and want to fight that "if 'est' was allowed, so should 'lmao'" then i'll make a thread about if teams think "lmao" should be allowed as a word
spanellers1 (11:18:39 PM): and hell, if you get majority, i'll match the total amount from the challenge, and since ryan probably won't care, call you the "real winner" if that's what's so important to
spanellers1 (11:18:48 PM): it's a $600 challenge, listen to what other people were saying
trevin7eleven (11:19:07 PM): it shouldnt be this dificult
trevin7eleven (11:19:09 PM): spanellers1 (7:43:29 PM): no proper nouns, no acronyms
trevin7eleven (11:19:11 PM): RIGHT THERE
trevin7eleven (11:19:18 PM): THAT ENDS THE WHOLE ARGUEMENT
spanellers1 (11:19:19 PM): i'm sorry that i don't agree with your argument, and whether you like it or not, i've done you a courtesy by discussing it this long with you
trevin7eleven (11:19:21 PM): RIGHT THERE
spanellers1 (11:19:52 PM): and i said before, i apologize for my lack of clarity in that statement, but that doesn't change my decision or my argument
trevin7eleven (11:19:53 PM): its not the fact of the money, its the fact that i won somehting and its being given to someone else
trevin7eleven (11:20:00 PM): then this is your fault
trevin7eleven (11:20:02 PM): not mine
spanellers1 (11:20:03 PM): fine
spanellers1 (11:20:07 PM): call it my fault
trevin7eleven (11:20:09 PM): i won the damn challenge
spanellers1 (11:20:10 PM): quit if you want to
spanellers1 (11:20:13 PM): it doesn't matter
trevin7eleven (11:20:27 PM): no?
spanellers1 (11:20:30 PM): if you won't accept my authority on this issue or anything else, then it isn't my problem
trevin7eleven (11:20:41 PM): thats not the problem here
trevin7eleven (11:20:55 PM): the problem is you made a VERY obvious statement
spanellers1 (11:20:59 PM): trevin, stop copying and posting the same lines over and over again
trevin7eleven (11:20:59 PM): i followed it
trevin7eleven (11:21:04 PM): and IM getting screwed
spanellers1 (11:21:45 PM): if you want the money, tell me, if you want the poll, tell me, if you have some new to say, tell me, but otherwise, we've covered everything countless times over, it's clear that we have agreed to disagree
trevin7eleven (11:22:10 PM): i want 600$ added to my budget and i want myself declared the winner, and orange to recieve nothing
spanellers1 (11:22:13 PM): and don't make it sound like you would have changed your choices in the challenge based on one statement or clarification
trevin7eleven (11:22:17 PM): thats what i want
spanellers1 (11:22:27 PM): then, good luck
spanellers1 (11:22:29 PM): you have the offers
spanellers1 (11:22:34 PM): tell me if you want anything else
spanellers1 (11:22:43 PM): you can't walk all over me by arguing for half an hour
spanellers1 (11:22:53 PM): i made a decision earlier and dictated it
trevin7eleven (11:23:06 PM): im not walking all over you, im trying to get you to see that i followed the rules
spanellers1 (11:23:07 PM): i defended it to you now, for much longer than i should have, or should have needed to
trevin7eleven (11:23:09 PM): i did the right thing
trevin7eleven (11:23:15 PM): and your not granting me that
trevin7eleven (11:23:26 PM): you rushed threw it so you could start the leg on time
spanellers1 (11:23:33 PM): trevin, whether i clarified that statement or not, your decisions in the challenge wouldn't be any different
trevin7eleven (11:23:36 PM): you said no acronyms i expect you to stick by that
spanellers1 (11:24:32 PM): of course i rushed, there are three teams here that played the game that were now uninvolved, there are four more teams waiting for the leg to start, and unfortunately, trying to stick to a predefined timetable to cater to 8/9 teams in the game is more important than arguing over the dictionary definition of an obscure word
trevin7eleven (11:24:34 PM): an acronym can be defined in many way however it still refers to what it is an acronym for
spanellers1 (11:25:13 PM): i made a decision, i explained it, i stuck with it, if you don't like it then tough
trevin7eleven (11:25:21 PM): you flipped
spanellers1 (11:25:27 PM): i've tried to give you an appeasable settlement, if you don't like that, then don't take it
spanellers1 (11:25:43 PM): i initially wasn't going to accept it because i had not yet seen that definition
spanellers1 (11:25:51 PM): i was only aware of EST for eastern standard time
spanellers1 (11:25:59 PM): showing that definition gave meaning to the word
spanellers1 (11:26:01 PM): it made it allowed
trevin7eleven (11:26:06 PM): you flipped from what you stated to what you think now, Youve become a hippocrit
trevin7eleven (11:26:13 PM): its an acronym
trevin7eleven (11:26:19 PM): regardless of what you say
trevin7eleven (11:26:22 PM): and how you define it
trevin7eleven (11:26:27 PM): its still and acronym
trevin7eleven (11:26:38 PM): i can define lol without using laugh out loud
trevin7eleven (11:26:47 PM): does that make it not an acronym?
spanellers1 (11:26:48 PM): but the dictionary doesn't
spanellers1 (11:26:51 PM): and that's what counts
spanellers1 (11:27:00 PM): the dictionary doesn't give the word additional meaning
spanellers1 (11:27:05 PM): it calls it "laugh out loud"
spanellers1 (11:27:12 PM): if you don't like that, then sorry
spanellers1 (11:27:38 PM): if you're so appauled that i had to make an executive decision to upset one party or the other, and you don't want to be in the game anymore, then walk out
spanellers1 (11:28:02 PM): otherwise, either take or ignore one of the generous offers i've given you, stop wasting time on this minute issue, and move on
spanellers1 (11:28:06 PM): there are 6 legs left to play
trevin7eleven (11:28:19 PM): Ryan None of that is the point
trevin7eleven (11:28:27 PM): there could be 1000 legs left
trevin7eleven (11:28:35 PM): the point is i was right
trevin7eleven (11:28:45 PM): i followed the rules you put fourth
spanellers1 (11:28:49 PM): that's your point, i disagree, that's life, there are disagreements
trevin7eleven (11:28:50 PM): and your not honoring that
spanellers1 (11:29:17 PM): Trevin, the point is i've sat here with you for half-an-hour discussing a decision that i made and stuck by hours ago over something that, in the scheme of things, isn't really even important
spanellers1 (11:29:26 PM): if you want one of the offers, take it
spanellers1 (11:29:28 PM): if not, don't
trevin7eleven (11:29:29 PM): no we havent discussed anything
spanellers1 (11:29:32 PM): i have better things to do right now
trevin7eleven (11:29:35 PM): you told me what you were doing
spanellers1 (11:29:43 PM): we've been here for half an hour trevin, all you're doing is repeating yourself
spanellers1 (11:29:44 PM): move on
trevin7eleven (11:29:46 PM): you didnt listen to anything i said in my arguement
spanellers1 (11:29:47 PM): good night
spanellers1 (11:29:49 PM): yes i did
trevin7eleven (11:29:54 PM): no you didnt
spanellers1 (11:30:00 PM): and i disputed each of your claims and explained why i disagreed
trevin7eleven (11:30:02 PM): you told me what you were going to do
spanellers1 (11:30:06 PM): "lmao" the whole nine yards
spanellers1 (11:30:37 PM): guess what? i'm the host. i've put tens of hours into this game. i'm allowed to make decisions. if you don't like that, then don't stay. it's your loss.
spanellers1 (11:30:40 PM): have a good evening.
trevin7eleven (11:32:02 PM): Now your just being stubborn
trevin7eleven (11:32:10 PM): your clearly wrong
trevin7eleven (11:32:15 PM): CLEARLY
trevin7eleven (11:32:22 PM): spanellers1 (7:43:29 PM): no proper nouns, no acronyms
spanellers1 (11:32:24 PM): then get the rest of the cast to tell me that
trevin7eleven (11:32:27 PM): that end your whole argue
spanellers1 (11:32:35 PM): good night trevin
trevin7eleven (11:37:32 PM): expect those ims to start coming in now
trevin7eleven (12:05:52 AM): now if im the first to post at 1259, are you gonna say Andrews post was first cuz it he said so?
spanellers1 (12:07:11 AM): no
spanellers1 (12:07:19 AM): if you're the first to post, you're the first to post
trevin7eleven (12:07:36 AM): now you wanna follow the rules.
spanellers1 (12:07:49 AM): and if you're going to behave that way, then i don't plan on explaining anything to you in the future
spanellers1 (12:07:53 AM): get over it, or leave
trevin7eleven (12:08:17 AM): change your mind otu i will have too
trevin7eleven (12:08:27 AM): do the right thing
trevin7eleven (12:08:34 AM): you got 4 ims saying i was right
trevin7eleven (12:08:39 AM): do the right thing
spanellers1 (12:10:25 AM): get over it, or leave
trevin7eleven (12:10:37 AM): i did what you told me to do
trevin7eleven (12:10:46 AM): and now your mad cuz people are agreeing with me
trevin7eleven (12:21:48 AM): ask the chat to vote
trevin7eleven (12:21:53 AM): you said you would do a vote
spanellers1 (12:22:11 AM): that was one of your offers, which you ignored, in lieu of bitching for the past two hours
trevin7eleven (12:22:30 AM): then i will just keep ranting,
spanellers1 (12:22:36 AM): go ahead